Previously in a past work environment, I went about my normal work day when a co-worker asked; do you like hip-hop? I replied saying no. He then asked, why not? Again I replied because hip-hop has nothing for me, I don’t enjoy it, it’s all talk of money, cursing etc. Then he asked what music do you like? I replied hymns because they glorify God. That was our first encounter.
Another day as we worked he approached me again asking about my faith which lead to the question about being a good person. I asked if he thinks he’s a good person? He replied yes. I said many people believe they’re good people, I too once thought the same not any more.
Romans 3:10 “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:”
Romans 3:23 “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Then sharing why I disagree that he’s not a good person, and with a passing statement I said, I don’t place my trust in religion; I place my trust in God. Religion teaches self-righteous I gave an example saying, Muslims believe they’re self-righteous because of what they do. He then said to me “I’m Muslim”. And so started the one year dialogue between two co-workers a Muslim and Christian.
Islam’s early origins
Islam started when Muhammad after weeks of going into a cave to pray claimed to be visited from the angel Gabriel and revealed that he the “last prophet” in the year early 600’s. He began preaching to others in his home city of Mecca looking to recruit followers friends and family to spread his religion. After trying for 12 years he failed in gaining followers, only those who were immediate friends and family converted to Islam.
Afterwards, he decided to travel to Medina which was at the time the Jewish business centre of Arabia. He thought that if he could get the Jews to accept and believe in his religion it would give him religious status, then, in turn, would give him more recognition among his own people.
Muhammad having this thought in mind borrowed a lot from the Old Testament (Torah) in order to make his religion more appealing to the Jewish people thereby persuading them to believe in Islam. Hence the reason why there are similarities between Judaism and Islam such as refraining from eating pork (pig), praying a 5 times a day, fasting on Yom Kippur (Jews) and Ramadan (Muslims) etc.
That said let us take a close look between the God of the Bible who Christians and Jews worship and see if the Muslim god is the same? In order to get an accurate comparison, we’ll have to look at both the Bible and the Quran to see what’s the truth.
Ephesians 5:11 “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.”
God of the Bible the same as god of the Quran?
Can the Muslim god and the Christian God be the same? As we look into the scriptures we quickly see that there are major contradictions between the two. As we compare the nature, character, and doctrines of each. Also the practices of their believers we’ll be able to come to a better understanding as to why they are vastly different.
The Nature of God
Muslims: believe there’s one God, who is not a trinity. The Islamic view of God is called strict Monotheism (Quran 112:1).
Christians: believe there’s one God, who exists in three distinct persons (Godhead or The Trinity): Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19).
Deuteronomy 6:4 “…Hear Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one.”
Matthew 28:19 “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”
Does God Send All To Hell?
Muslims: believe that according to surah 19:70–72, everyone will enter into hell, that includes Muslims and their god will then bring out the god-fearing:
Christians: believe that only unbelievers, those who aren’t born again will go into hell for all eternity.
Revelation 21:8 “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
The True Teachings of Islam
When a non-Muslim confronts a Muslim about the teachings of Islam, the Muslim always claims “Islam is a religion of peace”. Although the majority of moderate Muslims may be peaceful people, but we’re speaking of the system or the religion of Islam and it’s teachings.
Apart from the first 13 years that Muhammad claimed to be a “prophet”, you don’t have any history of Islam devoid of violence. The moment Muhammad was able to gather enough followers he began battles at a rate of nine battles per year until his death. And then afterwards Muslims conquered one-third of the known world, this is called the Muslim caliphate.
A caliphate is an Islamic state under the leadership of an Islamic steward with the title of caliph, a person considered the successor to Muhammad and leader of the entire ummah. The medieval period saw three major caliphates succeeded each other, the last being the Ottoman Caliphate (Ottoman Empire).
Muslims are taught to fight and kill the infidels. If a Muslim converts to another faith they’re told to kill him. They also say it’s alright to kill Jews, Christians and homosexuals; and believe thieves should have their arms and legs cut off. Muslims want sharia law implemented throughout the world and are told not to have anything to do with the kaffir (disbeliever).
Here are some of their teachings from the Quran:
Surah 9:5 “And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.”
Surah 2:191 “And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.”
Surah 5:33 “Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,”
Surah 9:29 “Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah (tax) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
Christians, on the other hand, are told to love our enemies to bless those who persecute you, the Christian God of the Bible is a God of love and peace and His servants also love. That’s the mark of a true Christian one who obeys the LORD and loves others as God also loved us and gave His Son for us.
Matthew 5:44 “But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;”
John 13:34 “A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.”
Romans 13:8 “Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.”
Deuteronomy 6:5 “And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.”
Can The True Living God Lie?
This is the crucial point in deciphering between the two.
Muslims: The Quran describes the muslim god as the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents. (surah 3:54, 7:99)
Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem.
Christians: Believe that God cannot and never will lie or practice deceit or guile.
Titus 1:2 “In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;”
In-fact the Lord Jesus when speaking to those in the temple who did not hear His words he told them.
John 8:44 “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
Seems the proof shows Islam is not a “religion of peace” it’s actually an ideology of war. And we must also conclude that if the Muslim god is the greatest deceiver of all, and Jesus Christ called satan the father of lies (John 8:44) then we can see who the Muslim god truly is. Satan! Therefore, Christians and Muslims DO NOT WORSHIP THE SAME GOD.
Dear Muslim Reader
In all truth and love you need to understand that you’re in darkness and the god of Islam is a false god. Come and serve the true living God, He’s able to take that dark soul of yours and bring it into His light. You’ll find true love and peace, a peace which passes all understanding.
1) All Have Sinned.Romans 3:10 states, “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.” And again in Romans 3:23 we are told, “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” Romans 5:12 tells us, “Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.” When Adam sinned, he brought the curse of sin upon all mankind. This is why everyone is born with a nature to sin, it has been passed down through Adam.
2) There is a Penalty for Sin. Romans 6:23 says, “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Death is the penalty for sin, Physical Death and a Second Death. Most people confuse spiritual death with the Second Death. We are born spiritually-dead. Adam and Eve died spiritually the moment they sinned, and all of their descendants since have been born spiritually-dead. This is why a person must be born-again spiritually. God’s Holy Spirit is that spiritual life. The Bible also speaks of a Second Death, which means being cast into the Lake of Fire forever as punishment for our sins. Just as a person is paid wages for work performed on the job, so does God payback sinners in the Lake of Fire.
3) Jesus Died, Was Buried, And Rose Three Days Later. Christ died for our sins! Romans 5:8, “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” What a precious Scripture! God in His love decided to give mankind a chance to escape the wrath of God’s judgment. Jesus came and laid down His life for us, knowing just how sinful the human race is. God expressed His love for humanity, paying men’s sin debt, knowing that we are so undeserving.
4) Call Upon the Lord Jesus to Be Saved. Romans 10:13 promises, “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” The word “call” means “to appeal unto.” Lost sinners who come to Jesus for forgiveness of sins, believing that He is the Christ, the Son of God, will be saved. How much faith do you need to be saved? Just enough faith to obey Romans 10:13 and trust upon the Lord Jesus for salvation. Romans 10:9–10, “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”
And if not why? Most will in ignorance say it’s ok for babies to be baptized. And don’t understand the meaning of baptism. Let us take the time to see in God’s word as we examine the scriptures from the book of Acts chapter 16.
The meaning of baptism
It’s a public profession of faith made in front of witnesses, it’s an outward expression of the change which has already occurred within a person, the inner man. And last but not least it’s a declaration of association with the Lord Jesus Christ linking ourselves in His death, burial and resurrection (Romans 6:4, Colossians 2:12).
It’s an association with the Lord Jesus, a confession that you follow Him, that He’s your Lord and Saviour. It’s a burial of the old man by becoming baptized (fully submerged underwater) we’re saying the old man is dead and buried with Christ.
It’s also in the likeness of Jesus Christ death burial and resurrection. He was buried and raised from the dead, so is our baptism a picture of that. We’re fully submerged (dead) under the water (buried) as the old man and we come up out of the water (resurrection) in newness of life.
After understanding what baptism involves for the individual we see that a person must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. They don’t have to understand the doctrine of baptism but they should be saved placing their faith in Christ before baptism, that’s a conscious decision on the part of the believer. A baby cannot make a decision to follow Christ, therefore, baby’s should not be baptised.
Does the following verse prove baby baptism?
“And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.” Acts 16:14, 15
After reading the above some believe “there’s a lady called Lydia that was baptized and her household” keyword is household. They believe this must mean Mrs Lydia and her household believed and was baptized also. The bible never mentions her being married. And if she’s not married and has a baby, then by imagination we’re charging her with sin. And we shouldn’t imagine what the word of God doesn’t say. Lydia’s baby, in many people’s imaginations but never found in the bible.
The word household is used widely there are several talks of households in the epistles to the Romans. You have slave households formed of many men and women who were slaves and there called households. In the epistle of Philemon, a man has a household of domestic servants, slaves and soldiers, a household.
The Greek biblical definition of household: oikiakos
one belonging to the house
one under control of the master of a house, whether a son or a servant
†οἰκιακός oikiakós, oy-kee-ak-os’; from G3614; familiar, i.e. (as noun) relatives: — they (them) of (his own) household.
Lydia’s and all those in her household they all believed the Gospel and were baptised, but you’ll search a long time there to find a little baby.
The Phillipian Jailer
“And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.” Acts 16:33, 34
And so they say in the house of the jailer there was a little tiny baby and so because the rest of the family got baptized so also the little baby. For argument’s sake let’s say that’s true. Here’s Paul the Apostle and he preached the word to the jailer and all in his house. So there’s the little baby that Paul put on the sofa and preached the word of God too.
Are you thinking this is sounding foolish yet? But remember the Bible says he preached to everyone in the house. Therefore the baby’s eyes got as big as saucers and it believed every word Paul said! How do we know that? Because the verse says they all believed in the house including the little baby.
But we all know perfectly well little babies can’t understand the preaching of the Gospel, and therefore we know that a little baby can’t believe. Therefore we know that little babies shouldn’t get baptized.
Why do people baptise baby’s then?
There are those who practice infant baptisms such as Roman Catholics or Eastern Orthodox Church a sec of Catholicism. It seems to have first come about from one of the early church fathers.
Not long after the death of the apostle John unbiblical teachings started to creep into the church through some of the early church fathers. Some of the heresies which were introduced forced the early church to hold councils in order to combat specific heretical teachings and to remove heretics.
1. A person under any religion, but particularly the christian, who holds and teaches opinions repugnant to the established faith, or that which is made the standard of orthodoxy. In strictness, among christians, a person who holds and avows religious opinions contrary to the doctrines of Scripture, the only rule of faith and practice.
2. Any one who maintains erroneous opinions.
The Roman Catholic church and others continued with the practice today even though it’s not taught in God’s word. The Catholics believe that if a baby is baptised it removes “original sin”. However, water baptism cannot remove sin only the blood of Jesus Christ can save us. 1 John 1:7 “…and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin”.
If you want to baptise a baby just know it won’t save them and it’s not biblical, the word of God says nothing about baby baptism. Only those who received salvation are to be baptised afterwards.
Acts 2:41 “Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
Acts 8:12 “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
Acts 19:5 “When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
1 Corinthians 2:14 “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.”
This one’s a special write up for me, a few years ago I moved overseas from North America to a faraway land in the southwestern Pacific ocean; the country of New Zealand. The country of New Zealand is comprised of 2 land masses, the north and the south island.
I lived in Wellington overlooking the Cook Strait towards the south island. Never knowing that mere 8-10 hours distance was a cult located in Haupiri.
Gloriavale is a small isolated cult group and has an estimated population of over five hundred. They own a small airline called Air West Coast the airport the plane frequents is right across the water from where I lived, it’s a good chance I’ve seen it before.
While the group keeps isolated to themselves they own a variety of businesses in order to keep the community going, from what I know they run a small airline, milk and cheese production, they also put on shows for anyone interested in visiting.
New Zealand’s landscape is beautiful full of lush green trees, misty mountain ranges, valleys, meadows and crystal clear water, plenty of places to relax and be among wildlife. The community complex is located in a peaceful valley one may not realise its the home of a cult far removed from the world.
WHO ARE THE COOPERITES
The group was founded in 1969 by the late Neville Cooper (aka “Hopeful Christian”), an Australian preacher who came to New Zealand. He made what became known as the Springbank Christian Community near Christchurch.
The community grew too large for the property and bought land on the West Coast and later moved there in 1995. They named their new property in the Haupiri Valley “Gloriavale” and established the Gloriavale Christian Community.
Cooper was a known sex offender and was brought up on charges in 1995 he and served 11 months in prison. Former member Yvette Olsen said Cooper sexually assaulted her on multiple occasions at 19 years of age. She said he’s a man of “unbridled lust”, a “dirty old man”.
His son Phil Cooper a former member of Gloriavale escaped the cult taking his then-wife along with him only for his wife to return forsaking him and their children in order to come back to the cult. Phil Cooper mentioned he also was sexually abused by his dad when he was a teenager, the memories of what transpired still trouble him years later.
A former member of Gloriavale said most of the families living in the secretive cult are not aware of their leader’s sex abuse conviction and believe he was jailed for preaching the gospel.
Elijah Overcomer was evicted from Gloriavale after questioning leader Christian over his conviction for indecent assault on young women.
The secretive group heavily relies on communal living everything they know of is in the community of Gloriavale. All of their families, friends, work every part of their life is invested in Gloriavale they know nothing else.
GV says: We believe that the Church at Gloriavale is one local church in the whole body of believers, wherever they may be. And while we know that we are not the only Christians around, we still want to be only Christians, and nothing more. We do not believe that this is the only Church where people can gain salvation, but it is our local church, and part of the body of Christ…
Bible says: We have salvation through the ransom sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ, it’s because of Him, He is the author of eternal salvation (Hebrews 5:9). This statement alone qualifies them as a cult because they place their faith in a church and not in the Son of God.
Acts 4:12 “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
GV says: Head coverings such as scarves are worn as a sign to the angels that a woman has placed herself in submission to the authority of the man.
It has been the custom among Christian people for centuries for men to remove their hats when entering a place of worship, and for women to have their heads covered. Only in the last century did these traditions start to change with the fashions of the world, but the scriptural basis for it is something we acknowledge and obey. In the same chapter of Corinthians, we are taught that men should have short hair while the women should grow their hair long.
Bible says: Gloriavale teaches that a woman must cover their head, I also agree with that but the difference is that the woman in the cult remain covered at all times. This is not a requirement the only time a woman should be covered is when the church comes together. In the case of Gloriavale the members are always together living in a community. While that may be so they’re not always worshipping God, that’s when a woman is required to cover her head. Is she always praying 24/7? Even the most spiritual must confess that they’re not always praying to God.
1 Corinthians 11:3–5 “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God. Every man praying or prophesying, having [his] head covered, dishonoureth his head. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.”
It goes unto say in the same epistle “…is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?” (1 Corinthians 11:13) This proves the men and women of Gloriavale are a cult relying on their own works to merit favour from God.
Do you have to live in a community to be a Christian?
GV says: No, but our community life has many advantages for Christians, who should live together in order to keep the commands of the Sermon on the Mount and other scriptures. Why would a Christian not want to live among others who share the same faith? In heaven, we will all live together in the mansions Jesus is building for us, we will all wear the same kind of clothes, and will all be perfectly submitted to the Word of God. Shouldn’t we then be doing these things as much as possible now? We have found that any arguments against living in community come down to arguments in favour of selfishness, self-will, or love of the world. One of the greatest blessings of community life is having brethren available to help and strengthen each other. If people can show us a better way of keeping the commands that Jesus has given us, we will be very happy to see it.
Bible says: The above statement has some truth but dig deeper there’s more under the surface. Yes, there are advantages for Christians being around one another (fellowship), but the Bible speaks “community life” or “wearing the same clothing”. The church comes together not lives together “If therefore the whole church be come together into one place” (1 Corinthians 14:23). The context of the verse is when believers come together. Additionally, the Sermon on the Mount has nothing to do with any of these topics.
GV says: Our source of authority on all matters of faith and life is the New Testament of the Bible.
Bible says: This is simply not true, their source is the Bible filtered through one man Neville Cooper who has taken the word of God and twisted it in order to have complete control over these individuals.
ESCAPED FROM GLORIAVALE, A RELIGIOUS CULT
Lilia Tarawa is 27 years old, Cooper’s granddaughter she grew up in Gloriavale most of her life and has left the cult with her parents. It’s a sad story because here’s a child who was raised in a cult that when under the guise of Christianity and has caused damage and tainted what true Christianity is to the point of pushing her away from God.
After leaving Gloriavale Lilia wrote her own book titled “Daughter of Gloriavale: My Life in a Religious Cult”. What’s become of Lilia Tarawa after leaving the cult and submerging herself in the ways of the world? I think the next few phrases will sum it up.
“For the first time in ages, I felt peace. Yoga saved me.”
“My business coach introduced me to Dr John Demartini, a gifted human behavioural specialist, with modalities to rebalance psychological imbalances and heal unhealed wounds.”
“I invested thousands of hours and dollars in courses, coaching and resources to answer one burning question, Who am I? You are the answer to your question, Danielle La Porte reminded me.”
Dreams & Aspirations All that is to come
“During worship meetings, I tuned out of boring sermons by reading Old Testament Bible stories.”
“I read encyclopedias to learn about life outside Gloriavale.”
“Yoga has a dedicated place of honour on my Instagram. Each time I visit the mat, my practice is a mirror for my past, present and future.”
“I plan to complete a yoga teacher training to supplement my practice, then teach retreats across the world.”
“During my adventures, I encountered thought leaders who greatly influenced me.”
“Oprah Winfrey, Brendon Burchard, Gary Vaynerchuk, and Sam Harris, to name a few.”
“I would love to speak on-stage with Danielle La Porte or Oprah Winfrey or any of my mentors.”
How I live life By Lilia Tarawa
“I have no desire to fit into what society wants me to be. I am cultivating a mindset of bravery by living on the edge.”
“The universe second chanced me a life I never dreamed possible.”
“Today I am sitting at my kitchen table in ripped tights and a woollen sweater over denim shorts.”
“I am sporting Tommy Hilfiger eye-wear on rouge coloured cheeks framed by an edgy fringe.”
“My ring-embellished fingers flit across the keyboard of a sleek Mac.”
“The picture screams 21st-century modern woman. That is accurate!”
“I am an indie rock-loving, whiskey drinking, sci-fi obsessed, agnostic with a deep interest in human potential.”
“Shortly, I shall be boarding a flight to teach audiences about leadership, self-respect and confidence.”
“As my fellow TEDxChristchurch speaker, Dr. David Galler says in his talk A touching glimpse into the mystery of death, ‘Too often we put our eggs in an afterlife basket.”
“We waste entire lives waiting for utopia and forgetting that heaven and hell are both here in the present moment.”
“Life is part of dying and death is a part of living. It is the two-sided coin of reality.”
“One day the grim reaper will collect. That reality check is the reason I phone my best friend, Grace Hoover, each morning to say; I love you.”
“I would hate to lie on my deathbed regretting what I did not do.”
Life after GloriavaleFinding my feet
“The thought was foreign to me. That is when I realised, [insert profanity]! I am free.”
“I got cosy with brands like L’Oreal, Victoria Secret, Levi, MAC, Chuck Taylor, Tommy Hilfiger and Adidas.”
“I was wearing figure-hugging jeans, lipstick and stilettos.”
“The world was my oyster, but I had not a clue where to go.”
BeliefsReligious & spiritual
“My beliefs changed immensely in the years following our departure from Gloriavale.”
“I remained a Christian, tried a few churches, found one I was comfortable with and made friends there.”
“I settled for a while, but curiosity tugged me. My life was mine to choose now.”
“I wanted to find the real Lilia who’d hidden behind uniforms and downcast eyes.”
“Womanhood ran hot in my blood. My body took me to places the church forbade me. The loss of my virginity liberated me from the shackles of church rules.”
“My shelves filled with books by Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Grant Cardone, J.R. Ward and Tony Robbins.”
“I read biology, psychology, theology, spirituality, philosophy and physics.”
“Music was my Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Universe. I listened to 50 Cent, Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, Rihanna, Metallica, Celine Dion, and Hillsong.”
“I travelled abroad to experience the cultures of other humans.”
“I was breaking many Christian laws, such as befriending gays.”
“My wholesome friendships with them forced me to recognise the many Christian doctrines which separated, rather than united humanity.”
“No creed is flawless, but I met too many Christians who professed theirs to be.”
“They ignored the defects of Christian teaching, using the word ‘faith’ as an excuse for non-thinking and dogma.”
“Is God even real? Also, if he is incomprehensible, how did we stuff ‘him’ in a gender box?”
“How can the abuse of children, which is an inherent part of Christian doctrine, be condoned? Spare the rod, spoil the child, the Bible read.”
“I do not live by conservative Christian doctrine. I have a science-based worldview.”
“In 2017 I attended a conference where Lyle MacWilliam proclaimed, Contrary to common belief. Science is not a truth cast in stone. It is a way of thinking.”
“As I have learned, science is a mindset that says, We can always ask a better question to find a better answer.” — Lilia Tarawa
It’s quite evident the damage Neville Cooper’s cult caused in this one individual, while she was always confused as to what true Christianity is because Gloriavale is not Christian by any means, she went from one wrong extreme to the other wrong extreme.
1 Peter 5:8 “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:”
How true this is to see a young woman who at one time in her life really thought she was living for God but was deceived into a life of legalism and cultic ways e.g. matching uniforms navy-blue, ankle-length dresses and white headscarves (Women), blue trousers and shirts (Men), mini versions of the compulsory garb (Children).
This experience changed her into a person (in her own words) who’s now practising fornication, yoga, who placed her faith in science and atheist. How far the pendulum has swung! How many others have found themselves in the same situation as she or will soon find themselves because of this cult?
As a Christian is saddening because at one time she genuinely cared about reading the Bible and knowing about God but it was tainted by a man who had an agenda and that was to rule with an iron fist.
Just as other cults many innocent individuals are being damaged by false doctrine. These victims were once zealous and sincere about what they believed but they were deceived by wicked men and sincerely wrong. This is why it’s of the utmost importance to be born again and remain in God’s word so that when you come across false doctrine.
We need to reach out to individuals who’re entrapped by these groups, many of them truly want a relationship with God but have fallen for another Jesus, another spirit and another gospel. They’re completely unaware and are in need of the true Gospel of Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:4 “For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”
My hope is that Lilia Tarawa and others come to know the true God of the Bible, that He gave Himself as a ransom for their sins that they may live. This world is plagued with many distractions which satan uses keep people in bondage and away from the true gospel. Religion doesn’t save, only a person saves, one perfect person and that’s the Lord Jesus Christ.
Matthew 11:28–30 “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
In order to know what biblical baptism is we need to go search the scriptures. Starting from the beginning of our Bible we trace baptism as far back to the book of Exodus. There’s a passage in there that sometimes we may overlook, after reading we’ll have some understanding as to one of the reasons of baptism (just going on the record now there’s more than 1 type of baptism).
The Book of Exodus
Baptised in the cloud and in the sea
We know that the children of Israel were in bondage in Egypt, Pharaoh charged them to build with brick and morter. In Exodus 1:13 it says that the Egyptians made Israel serve with rigour, they were slaves to the Egyptians.
Exodus 1:14 “And they made their lives bitter with hard bondage, in morter, and in brick, and in all manner of service in the field: all their service, wherein they made them serve, was with rigour.”
The Old Testament has many types, Moses was raised up in the courts of Egypt from his youth and was learned in all the ways of Egypt, therefore, he was in a position of privilege having the best education.
Acts 7:22 “And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.”
Once Moses came to the knowledge that he was born a Hebrew he chose to suffer with his brethren in the pits. Moses made the decision to associate himself with the children of Israel and turned his back on the plush life he enjoyed living among the Egyptians.
When the Exodus from Egypt happened Moses being a picture of the Lord Jesus as a deliverer brought the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt and came to the Red Sea. Before this pivotal moment, Israel was ruled over by Pharaoh and was forced to be associated with him by reason of being his slaves. The Almighty parts the Red Sea in order for Moses to bring them safely across.
Exodus 14:13-16 “And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will shew to you to day: for the Egyptians whom ye have seen to day, ye shall see them again no more for ever. The LORD shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace. And the LORD said unto Moses, Wherefore criest thou unto me? speak unto the children of Israel, that they go forward: But lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it: and the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea.”
When this occurred 2 things happened, they cut off any ties they had with Egypt and Pharaoh disassociating themselves, and now they were associated with the man who turned his back on Egypt, Moses. The other which simultaneously occurred was they were baptised unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
1 Corinthians 10:1, 2 “Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;”
The Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John)
As we move forward into the New Testament we come to another baptism. In the first opening chapters of all 4 gospels, we come to know John the Baptist a forerunner to the Lord Jesus. John was baptizing the children of the nation of Israel for the “confession of sins” (Matthew 3) “remission of sins” (Mark 1) “baptism of repentance” (Luke 3) “Make straight the way of the Lord” (John 1).
The baptism of John was a baptism of repentance at this time the Lord Jesus hadn’t shown up yet from what we see from the scriptures. While John is baptising people the Pharisees question him asking if he was the Christ and John says he’s not. One day John sees the Lord Jesus coming the next day and what does John say?
John 1:29 “The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.”
At this time the Lord Jesus approaches John asking to be baptised, John is taken back by this request because he realises that the Lord Jesus is God in the flesh and says:
Matthew 3:14 “But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?”
The Lord Jesus tell John “Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness.” (Matthew 3:15) He’s then baptised of John not because He needed to confess any sins, but the Lord Jesus going through the waters of baptism by John was confirmed that John’s baptism was from God.
When the Pharisees challenged the Lord Jesus Christ authority He asked the Pharisees a profound question thereby causing them never to question Him again.
Luke 20:4-8 “The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then believed ye him not? But and if we say, Of men; all the people will stone us: for they be persuaded that John was a prophet. And they answered, that they could not tell whence it was. And Jesus said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.”
John’s purpose in his baptism was getting the children of Israel to confess their sins as they went through the water.
The Bible doesn’t give us much detail into this baptism, we’re not certain how different was John’s baptism to disciples baptism. The scriptures we can look at are the ones found in John’s Gospel.
John 4:1 “When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)”
Again from what we read here we can gather that the Lord Jesus never baptised with water as John and the disciples did. He (Christ) was going to baptise with the Holy Ghost and fire.
Matthew 3:11 “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:”
The Acts of the Apostles
Peter’s sermon (Israel baptism)
The next mention of baptism is in the book of Acts, after the day of Pentecost when they were indued with power from on high (Luke 24:49) and the promise was fulfilled, the Holy Spirit came and indwelt believers. Peter with the other eleven stood before the men of Judaea and preached unto them. He touched their conscience when speaking of how they rejected their Messiah and crucified Him. When they heard this knowing they were condemned they were pricked in their hearts and said:
Acts 2:37 “Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?”
Peter then told them something very specific and it was specific for the nation of Israel.
Acts 2:38 “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
He told them they needed to “repent in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins”. The same way they rejected the Lord Jesus in the open in front of everyone in order to undo what they did in rejecting the Chief Cornerstone (Psalms 118:22), they will have to accept the Lord Jesus, not in secret but in front of everyone.
Again we see an association being made when they were baptised they associated themselves with the man who only a few days ago they said: “Away with him away with him crucify him” (John 19:15). They were no longer associated with Caesar but now they were associated with the true King the Lord Jesus Christ.
John 19:15 “But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.”
Phillip one of the disciples went down to Samaria to preach Christ unto them as he preached the scriptures say that unclean spirits were cast out and many people with sicknesses were healed. People in Samaria were believing on the Lord and getting baptised in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then word got back to the Apostles in Jerusalem concerning what was happening in Samaria.
Peter and John take a trip to Samaria and when they laid hands on the Samaritans they received the Holy Spirit. Here the key was they “laid hands on the Samaritans”. Looking back the Jews and Samaritans hated each other, the Jews wanted nothing to do with them.
John 4:9 “Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.”
It seems that the Spirit of God wanted that division between Jews and Samaritans to be done away with and the only way that would happen was with a touch.
Acts 8:14-17 “Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.”
Peter was on a rooftop praying and he became hungry had a vision of “a great sheet knit at the four corners”, he saw all sorts of animals and the Spirit of God spoke to him concerning that he would eat saying “Rise, Peter; kill, and eat”. Peter being a Jew and holding to Jewish law was hesitant and said “Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean”.
Peter was then told, “What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common”. The great sheet showed Peter 3 times that these animals were clean to eat. Just as this occurs 3 Gentile men sent from Cornelius arrived asking Peter to come with them. The beauty of how God shows us through scripture that there shouldn’t be any division or hatred, how we shouldn’t look down on one another.
Acts 10:19, 20 “While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee. Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.”
Peter goes with them to Caesarea to the house of Cornelius the centurion who the scriptures call “a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews”. God wanted Peter to preach the Gospel of Christ to him for it was God’s will that grace also be given to the Gentiles.
Acts 10:21, 22 “Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come? And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.”
Peter enters into the house and Cornelius tries to worship Peter but immediately Peter tells him not to worship “saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man”. As they come into the house many others were there also to hear what Peter had to say, Peter how it’s unlawful to come into the house of a Gentile saying:
Acts 10:28 “And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.”
Cornelius proceeds to tell Peter how he was visited by a man telling him to send for Peter so that he can hear the things commanded by God.
Acts 10:30-32 “And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing, And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God. Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.”
Peter then starts to preach the Gospel unto everyone present in the house of Cornelius saying: “The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)” (Acts 10:36) As he preached something remarkable happened which they never saw before. In the middle of him preaching the Gospel the Holy Ghost fell on the Gentiles there.
Acts 10:44 “While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.”
Peter was shocked to see this happen for as much as he knew God was granting salvation to the Jews and Samaritans (half Jews) but he never thought the Gentiles would also be given salvation.
Acts 10:45 “And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Peter said can any man forbid water? It was at this point Gentile believers were baptised as well identify themselves and buried in Christ, believers baptism.
Acts 10:47, 48 “Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Romans 6:4 “Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
God never envisions for any born-again believer not to be baptised, to be a follower of Christ is to be called a Christian to be associated with Christ, even the Lord Jesus gave us an example to follow just as He was baptised by John the Baptist as we mentioned earlier in the beginning.
Greek meaning: Christianos (khrē-stē-ä-no’s) ΧριστιανόςChristianós, khris-tee-an-os’; from G5547; a Christian, i.e. follower of Christ:—Christian.
But not only that baptism is also an outward confession to others saying of what happened on the inside. Being a new creature in Christ Jesus, we are buried into His death and resurrected unto life (Romans 6:4). We are dead to this world and are “circumcised with the circumcision made without hands” (Colossians 2:11).
Colossians 2:11,12 “In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
Looking back in the Gospel we have the commission by the Lord Jesus Christ telling us what we should do as believers.
Matthew 28:19 “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”
We’re told to go out and preach the good news the Gospel of Peace that others may be saved, those who are saved should get baptised on their own convictions. They should understand what it means, this doesn’t mean they have to be a scholar a general understanding is good enough. Any born again Christian will grow as the Holy Spirit teaches them of all these great truths.
Also just to be clear baptism itself is not necessary for salvation there are cults who teach that you must be baptised in water to be saved. For this we have the account of the thief on the cross, he believed on the Lord Jesus while he was nailed to a cross beside the Lord never had an opportunity of being baptised and the Lord Jesus said:
Luke 23:42 “And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.”
There are a few other accounts of baptism the Ethiopian eunuch mentioned in (Acts Chapter 8). As well as the baptism of Paul the Apostle (Saul) after he was converted when he saw the glorified Christ on the road to Damascus (Acts Chapter 9).
Ephesians 4:5 “One Lord, one faith, one baptism,”
The above verse speaks on believers who follow the one true God, which is the same faith as those who do believe in the Godhead, and baptism is being indwelt with the Holy Spirit. But Paul the Apostles doesn’t contradict the words of the Lord Jesus as He said: “teach all nations” Matthew 28:19. That encompasses Jews and Gentile in all the world. As a believer in the body of Christ all are one. This is what the verse in Ephesians 4:5 speaks of.
Galatians 3:28 “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
I hope this helps in giving a clearer understanding of baptism and that as Christians we are commanded to be baptised and what baptism means. There are no unbaptised believers in the New Testament. God bless.
Matthew 10:16 “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.”
They’re all around, teachers, we find them in all sorts of environments and institutions; places such as universities, technology firms, cooking school, language class their purpose is education. There’s no other place teachers can greatly serve than providing for the edification of the church, the body of The Lord Jesus Christ.
Elders who’re in the midst of the believers in the local gathering also bear the responsibility of being apt to teach (1 Timothy 3:2, 2 Timothy 2:24, Titus 1:9, 1 Peter 5:2) themselves being in a position of responsibility to the LORD as shepherding the flock. Also, young men who’re given the gift of teaching by God and raised up by the Holy Spirit to teach, become overseers or possibly both. As faithful men teach faithful men (2 Timothy 2:2).
Hebrews 13:17 “Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that [is] unprofitable for you.”
They bear a tremendous responsibility as those who’ll give an account to the LORD for their service of guiding the flock of God. That’s a heavy burden to have on your shoulders, and not all men are cut out for that responsibility. That’s why it’s vital that they’re raised up by the Holy Spirit, we’re talking about spiritual matters, not someone answering a job post by sending a resume, God does the raising up.
Handling the word of God is a great responsibility one to be taken seriously as they who handle God’s word will give a greater account to God Himself one day. Elders and teachers, but today we’re going to look at what constitutes those who would be false teachers.
In the Old Testament the nation of Israel dealt with false prophets in their dispensation, as we are no longer in the days of the Old Testament it’s important to note that the OT has a tremendous amount of teachings and types we can learn from. In our day and age, we’re no longer under the Old Testament law, we’re now under the New Testament, under grace.
Looking at the OT scriptures we remember how Elijah dealt with the false prophets of Baal in (1 Kings 18:21–18:40) as he issuing a challenge telling them to choose a bullock and lay wood upon an altar, calling upon their god (Baal), but he would call upon the name of the LORD proving that the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob is the one true God.
Other false prophets such as Hananiah who spoke a lie unto the people of Israel telling them the yoke of Nebuchadrezzar shall be broken in 2 years and they will not serve the king of Babylon, speaking of the children of Israel’s captivity. But the prophet Jeremiah warned the people that this was not true but a lie (Jeremiah 28). The LORD said for this false prophesy Hananiah “broken yoke as wood” the yoke will now be made into iron around their necks (Jeremiah 28:13–28:14).
Ahab, son of Kolaiah, and Zedekiah the LORD was angered because they falsely prophesied a lie in the name of God and were slayed at the hands of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon. That’s the price false prophets paid when speaking lies in the name of the LORD (Jeremiah 29).
Today we’re no longer dealing with false prophets as prophets are no longer used by God in our dispensation (Luke 16:16). Teachers raised up by the Holy Spirit are now used by God for the edification of the saints we come to understand what God expects of us through His word the complete canon of scripture.
2 Timothy 3:16–3:17 “All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”
God used the major and minor prophets in the Old Testament to provide revelation of His word as they didn’t have a tangible Bible as we do today. They had some scriptures such as the five books of Moses (Genesis — Deuteronomy) and as time went on the scriptures were given through holy men of God moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 Peter 1:21 “For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
And just as Israel dealt with false prophets we as the Church have to beware of false teachers, we’re constantly told in scripture they would be prevalent in these last days, men of old creeping in, bringing in damnable heresies.
The Lord Jesus had given this solemn warning concerning the Pharisees bringing to mind leaven. Leaven was used in bread in order to make it rise, but leaven also spreads throughout the bread put a little and the entire bread rises. The same happens with false doctrine.
Matthew 16:6 “Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.”
God would always tell the children of Israel not to eat leaven bread as the OT scriptures have many pictures or types of spiritual things.
Some types are Abraham willing to sacrifice Issac his son and the ram caught in the thicket a picture of the Father giving His Son the Lord Jesus as a sacrifice (Genesis 22:8–22:13). Wonderful picture of the cross of Calvary (Jesus died for me!).
Joseph as a provider for the nation of Israel as they were in a great dearth (famine) suffering in hunger, then coming into a land with provision, food for them saving them from starvation (Genesis 45). A picture of us spiritually dead, no food for our souls in a dry and barren place until we’re saved by the Lord Jesus and He provides food for us.
Moses as the deliverer of God’s chosen nation Israel from the hard bondage of Pharoah in Egypt as he brings the people through the red sea being baptised unto Moses (1 Corinthians 10:2). Just as anyone born of God, were baptised unto the Lord Jesus.
Exodus 12:15 “Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.”
Paul speaking to the church at Galatia warned them of the leaven as sin to be avoided (Galatians 5:9). He said the same to the believers in Corinth telling them to purge out the leaven which made its way into the local body of believers (1 Corinthians 5:7).
LEAVEN, n. lev’n. L. levo, Eng. to lift.
1. A mass of sourdough, which, mixed with a larger quantity of dough or paste, produces fermentation in it and renders it light. During the seven days of the passover, no leaven was permitted to be in the houses of the Jews. (Exodus 12)
2. Anything which makes a general change in the mass. It generally means something which corrupts or depraves that with which it is mixed.
Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. (Matthew 16)
LEAVEN, v.t. lev’n.
1. To excite fermentation in; to raise and make light, as dough or paste.
A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. (1 Corinthians 5)
2. to taint; to imbue.
This is what false teachers do they taint God’s word many cults like (Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventist) will say they believe God’s word and will use similar words and meanings as Christians but if you press them on issues of salvation you’ll notice it’s not enough for them to just believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation (Acts 16:31).
Cult members feel the need to work for their salvation, for them just believing is too simple for them. satan knows salvation is simple, it’s so simple that he can’t take anything from it, therefore, he tries to get individuals to add to salvation thereby perverting the Gospel.
2 Timothy 4:3–4:4 “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
The above verse speaks of those who will not hear the truth of God’s word and they twist God’s word to suit their own needs. Most Bible-believing Christians know of the more popular false teachers out there, preaching a prosperity gospel. But how many are aware of those preaching erroneous doctrine such as:
Second baptism of the Holy Spirit for salvation
Born again Christians being possessed by demons/unclean spirits
Speaking in tongues for salvation
Laying on of hands (healing)
WHAT DO WE DO?
This may be obvious but it’s never too old to hear, staying in God’s word with the help of the Holy Spirit will always preserve you. God guides us as the good shepherd. By staying in the word of God we can prove all things, holding fast to that which is good (1 Thessalonians 5:21).
By placing our dependence on the LORD He will never steer us wrong, He holds us up and establishes upon a rock, a solid foundation which is His truth; that being the Lord Jesus Himself.
CAN BELIEVERS BE DEMON POSSESSED?
Not long ago I’ve come across a video of a baptism of a young lady she was baptised by a known street preacher. What struck me was this young lady had professed to be saved as she was standing in the water waiting to be baptised, and the next moment was having “a demon cast out of her” in the middle of her baptism.
Now we have to ask ourselves a few questions. Can a truly born-again Christian be possessed by a devil? And if so would that mean that God is not powerful enough to keep the true believer who’s sealed by the Holy Spirit from such? Another possibility is that a person who’s truly possessed by a devil cannot be saved because darkness cannot dwell with light. A believer cannot be walking in the Light and possessed by satan at the same time.
1 John 1:5–7 “This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. ”
Though demons can enter and possess any unbeliever, they cannot enter into the body of those who belong to the Lord. There are a number of reasons why this is so. The Bible says that the one who indwells believers (Holy Spirit) is greater than the one who is in the world.
1 John 4:4 “Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.”
Those who have trusted Christ have been delivered from the possibility of demonic possession. Paul wrote.
Ephesians 2:2 “Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:”
True believers do not live any more under their authority, that is under the authority of satan. When a person is saved they belong to the LORD, not satan.
Colossians 1:13, 14 “Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:”
Believers have nothing in common with darkness or Satan. The Holy Spirit, and a demonic spirit cannot co-exist in the same person.
2 Corinthians 6:15 “And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?”
We have no biblical example in Scripture of a believer in Jesus Christ being demon-possessed. All cases of demonic possession were with those who were unbelievers and after became saved by the Lord Jesus.
Sometimes the following passages are cited as support of believers being possessed. Paul ordered the church of Corinth to deliver a believer over to Satan. What many don’t understand is this person was put out of the local body of believers not that the man who was put out was possessed.
1 Corinthians 5:5 “To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”
The Bible speaks of two other individuals who were also delivered over to Satan. Again meaning placed outside of the local fellowship of believers. Not that they were demon possessed.
1 Timothy 1:20 “Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.”
People Taken Captive is another passage speaks of people being taken captive by the devil.
2 Timothy 2:26 “And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
The people under discussion in this context are not believers. Consequently, there is no Scriptural support for the idea that Christians can become demon-possessed.
What about stories of believers and demons? When people give examples of believers being possessed, there are a number of questions that immediately arise, “Were these victims of demon possession really believers?” “Were they actually possessed with a demon or is there another possible explanation for their behaviour?” Since the Bible gives no support that a believer can be possessed by a demon, some other explanation must be in order.
Permanent indwelling of Holy Spirit. The issue is clear. It is not whether a professing Christian can be demon-possessed, but rather can a genuine, “born again” Christian become demon-possessed? The Bible teaches that those who have trusted Christ are permanently indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 1:13,14 “In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”
You’re a new creation. Believers are a new creation in Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:17 “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
So if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation: everything old has passed away; see, everything has become new!
Body temple of Holy Spirit. The body of the believer is now a temple of the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 6:19 “What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?”
Cannot separate the believer from The Lord. The Bible says that nothing can separate the believer from the love of God.
Romans 8:38,39 “For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
Specially mentioned are the angels and principalities angelic orders. Not even they can separate a believer from the love of God. All of these things would make demon-possession an impossibility for the believer.
The Bible never teaches a Christian can be possessed by a demon. The believer is “in Christ,”- one of His. Every example in the Bible of a person being demon-possessed concerns an unbeliever there are no examples of believers being possessed.
Furthermore, we must be careful not to depend on stories of believers and demon-possession many other explanations are possible. The Christian, who is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, need not fear demon possession. Yet, demons do attack believers in various ways, therefore, it would be wrong to say they cannot have any effect on the Christian.
We can speak at great lengths concerning foundational truths ie salvation, baptism etc. This is here is not meant to go into great depths on those subjects, it was merely to point out that there are false teachers out there spreading heretical doctrines. Like the Bereans, they searched the scriptures daily to see if those things were so (Acts 17:10–17:11).
Doing the same we need to stay in God’s word so that we’re not tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine. The LORD preserves His saints and will never lead them astray.
1 Timothy 3:15 “But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.”
There’s a good chance you’ve never heard about Christian Science if not don’t feel bad many haven’t. What is Christian Science and where did it come from and is it truly Christian? That’s the question we’re concerned with.
Mary Baker Eddy was born Mary Morse Baker in Bow, New Hampshire to farmer Mark Baker and his wife Abigail Barnard Baker. Eddy was the youngest of six children: Mark Baker was a religious man from a Protestant background and firm believer in the Bible. Eddy and her father didn’t have the best of relationships. Her father was reported to hand out harsh punishment towards her with her mother at sometimes coming in-between.
Eddy would experience periods of illness she would suddenly fall to the floor, becoming unconscious for hours sometimes. She also may have suffered from an eating disorder.
In 1862 Eddy became a patient of Phineas Quimby, a magnetic healer from Maine. Quimby and Eddy engaged in discussions about healing methods practised, it’s a good chance that’s where she acquired her influence. Quimby conducted hypnotic treatments of her physical conditions. Eddy then dabbled in spiritualism even claiming to have channelled the spirit of Abraham Lincoln. She also had beliefs in Hinduism and Eastern religions, from the Christian Science website we read.
Mary Baker Eddy (1821–1910) considered herself a spiritual pioneer whose work encompassed the disciplines of science, theology, and medicine.
A lifelong student of the Bible, she gained a powerful insight in 1866 when she experienced a dramatic recovery from a life-threatening accident after reading Jesus’ healings. From that pivotal moment, she sought an understanding of how she had been healed. She returned to the Bible and prayed for answers. It became clear to her that spiritual healing was based on divine laws of God, Spirit, and that these laws could be applied by anyone to heal every form of human suffering and sin. — www.christianscience.com
TENENTS OF CHRISTIAN SCIENCE
CS says: God is infinite . . . and there is no other power or source, S&H 471:18.
Bible says: While Christians will agree that God is infinite/eternal the other half of the above statement is not true. We read that there are thrones, and dominions and principalities and powers.
Ephesians 1:21 “Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:”
Ephesians 6:12 “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].”
Colossians 1:16 “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:”
Verses proving there are other powers besides God Himself are: Daniel 10:20–21, 2 Corinthians 11:14, Philippians 2:9–10, Jude 1:9, Revelation 12:9
CS says: God is Universal Principle, S&H 331:18–19.
Bible says: God’s word says that the Father is God, a person that He’s Holy righteous and just; not a universal principle or idea?!
1 Samuel 2:2 “[There is] none holy as the LORD: for [there is] none beside thee: neither [is there] any rock like our God.”
Psalms 96:9 “O worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness: fear before him, all the earth.”
John 4:24 “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
1 Peter 1:16 “Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.”
CS says: God cannot indwell a person, S&H 336:19–20.
Bible says: John chapter 14 speaks on quite the opposite stating believers do have God indwelling in them, speaking of the Holy Spirit (Comforter) who is God. Additionally, the scriptures identifies the Holy Spirit as “He”.
John 14:16, 17 “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.”
John 16:13 “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”
CS says: God is the only intelligence in the universe, including man S&H 330:11–12.
Bible says: God is not the only “intelligence in the universe” if that were so then we as mankind born in sin wouldn’t need a Saviour, there would be no need for the sacrifice of the Son of God who I’m eternally grateful for. If the above statement were true the satan, angels and mankind could never be held responsible for their actions. That’s why God tells us to repent to have a change of mind.
Repent — μετανοέωmetanoéō, met-an-o-eh’-o; from G3326 and G3539; to think differently or afterwards, i.e. reconsider (morally, feel compunction): — repent.
CS says: God is Mind, S&H 330:20–21; 469:13.
Bible says: God is not “Mind” He’s a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth (John 4:24). A mind cannot be called “He” or “Him” or “Father”.
CS says: God is the Father-Mother, S&H l 331:30; 332:4.
Bible says: The whole “Mother” rubbish comes from paganism all of the “mother earth” and gaia paganism looking to make creation god. There is no mother god in the Bible that’s a fiction of Mary Baker Eddy’s imagination.
CS says: The Trinity is Life, Truth, and Love, S&H 331:26.
Bible says: “Life, Truth and Love” aren’t persons, the “Trinity” or Godhead as the correct biblical terminology is that God is 3 distinct persons all 1 God having the same divine nature.
Matthew 28:19 “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: ”
John 15:26 “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:”
1 John 5:7–8 “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. ”
CS says: Jesus was not the Christ, S&H 333:3–15; 334:3.
Bible says: How can Christian Science call themselves such when they deny The Lord Jesus Christ Himself? In all of the scriptures, we read that Jesus is the Christ.
1 Timothy 2:5 “For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; ”
Acts 2:38 “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Hebrews 13:8 “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
And this is the dividing truth which makes Christian Science or any other group or sect that denies the deity of The Lord Jesus Christ a cult. All cults deny Him in some way and divert either slightly or tremendously in beliefs as is the case here.
CS says: “Jesus Christ is not God, as Jesus himself declared . . . ” S&H 361:12–13.
Bible says: The Lord Jesus Himself did say He is God, He proved it by the miracles He performed He told the Pharisees who He was and they killed Him because of the claims He made being the Son of God, God in the flesh. This verse in Isaiah speaking of the Lord Jesus says:
Isaiah 9:6 “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
John 1:1–3 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
John 8:58 “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”
Verses speaking of Christ Jesus as God are: John 10:30, John 1:14, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Colossians 1:15–17, John 20:28, John 14:9, John 1:2, John 14:6, John 5:19–29
CS says: Jesus did not reflect the fullness of God, S&H 336:20–21.
Bible says: Once again they contradict God’s word, in Colossians it specifically mentions He that is the Lord Jesus has the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Colossians 2:9 “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
John 3:34 “For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.”
CS says: Jesus did not die, S&H 45:32–46:3.
Bible says: The Lord Jesus said Himself that He was dead and is now alive, dead couldn’t hold Him.
Revelation 1:18 “I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
Psalms 16:10 “For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.”
Acts 2:24 “Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.”
Other outrageous unbiblical beliefs from Christian Science are:
The Holy Spirit is divine science, S&H 331:31.
There is no devil, S&H 469:13–17.
There is no sin, S&H 447:24.
Evil and good are not real, S&H 330:25–27; 470:9–14.
“Matter, sin, and sickness are not real, but only illusions,” S&H 335:7–15; 447:27–28.
“Life is not material or organic,” S&H 83:21.
“The sacrifice of Jesus was not sufficient to cleanse from sin,” S&H 25:6.
“True healings are the result of true belief,” S&H 194:6.
As we see the heresy is off the charts, Mary Baker Eddy rejects foundational Christian doctrines in regards to angels and devils, heaven and hell, worst of all the denial of the atonement of Christ’s crucifixion etc. Eddy attempts to intermingle Gnostic teachings with a “Christian” beliefs.
The later epistles address this very reason, Gnostic teachings were threatening the early church. The Apostle John wrote 1 John in order to oppose the early Gnostics. The following verses tell us ungodly men tried infiltrating the church and we see the rotten fruit of its teachings today.
1 John 4:2 “Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: ”
Colossians 2:8 “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. ”
1 Timothy 6:20–21 “O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith…”
Jude 1:4 “For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”
LETTER FROM EDDY
Writing a letter to the Portland Evening Courier stating, “that Christ was the cure:” and while Christ is the cure she didn’t understand that He was the cure for sin, to grant unto us eternal life for those who believe.
Christian Science is a dangerous practice because there are cases in which individuals had curable diseases but because they placed their faith in the teachings of Eddy who teaches “sickness are not real, but only illusions” then you never need a doctor or medicine. I’m a firm believer that doctor visits or medicine isn’t always the answer or necessary but the option should never be off the table.
The Christian Science follower solely believes that you can heal all illnesses and diseases by faith and prayer. As a Christian myself I absolutely believe prayer works but we shouldn’t negate other resources for our health. Its the same idea the Jehovah Witnesses have when it comes to them being against blood transfusions.
VICTIMS OF FAITH HEALING
These cases show the need to remove religious exemptions from child health care requirements. Surely they illustrate the fact that the state cannot always protect children with court orders. People have many inhibitions about reporting child abuse. — childrenshealthcare.org
Ian Lundman, age 11, died of diabetes in 1989 in suburban Minneapolis. His father had left Christian Science, but did not have custody. The boy lost weight and became lethargic. A school official noticed a fruity odor on Ian’s breath, a classic diabetes symptom, but did not recognize it as such nor did she know his mother and stepfather had religious beliefs against medical care.
They retained a Christian Science practitioner for spiritual treatment of Ian’s illness. The practitioner billed them $446 for his prayers over two days.
An unlicensed Christian Science nurse sat by Ian’s bedside for the last five hours of his life as he lay in a diabetic coma. She knew that he did not respond to anyone. She observed his vomiting, labored breathing, excessive urination, facial spasms, and clenched teeth. Nevertheless, her concept of care was to give him drops of water through a straw and to tie a sandwich bag and washcloth around his scrotum. She did not call for medical help or ask his mother to obtain it. Read full story here — childrenshealthcare.org
Sixteen-year-old son Neil Beagley became very ill shortly after the death of his little niece Ava in March, 2008. His parents Jeff and Marci Beagley were members of the Followers of Christ congregation in Oregon who eschew medical care in favor of communal prayer, the laying on of hands, and anointing with olive oil. Neil’s aunt reported to the Department of Human Services that Neil’s throat was closed up, he was having trouble breathing, and she was afraid he might die. Marci later testified that she too was afraid Neil would die but did not express that fear to the DHS worker who visited the home. Instead, both parents asserted that Neil only had a cold or perhaps a case of the flu. Read full story here — childrenshealthcare.org
Matthew Swan, age 16 months, died of spinal meningitis in 1977 in Detroit, Michigan. His parents, Doug and Rita Swan, both lifelong Christian Scientists, retained Christian Science practitioners for spiritual “treatments.”
The practitioners repeatedly said they were healing Matthew. Symptoms were reinterpreted as evidence of healing. For example, one practitioner who observed the baby’s convulsions said he might be “gritting his teeth” because he was “planning some great achievement.” The practitioners demanded more faith and gratitude from the Swans. They complained that the Swans’ fears and other sins were obstructing their treatment.
Christian Science teaches that man does not have a sinful nature and is a reflection of Divine Mind. “Salvation,” is finding the true reality of understanding revealed in Christian Science teachings from Mary Baker Eddy, the woman who founded the cult in the 1870’s and aren’t from God.
Christian Science has only produced unbiblical and false doctrines. Eternal destruction is the only thing that will result from its false teaching. The fires of hell will be a harsh reality for anyone that’s been taught they don’t exist.
Christian Science followers need salvation they’re lost and dead in sins and are in need of a Saviour which is The Lord Jesus Christ. If you’re a Christian Science believer this is not meant to be hateful towards you it’s to wake you up to the true gospel. The Bible says you can be deceived in believing a false Jesus, spirit and gospel.
2 Corinthians 11:4 “For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”
We Christian Science followers to come to know the true Jesus Christ, Spirit and Gospel. The Lord Jesus first words in the Gospel of John was “Come and see” (John 1:39), we say the same to you “Come and see”.
Psalms 34:8 “O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.”
Will would come to the Saviour of sinners, the Prince of Peace, the Great Physician? He can pull you out of the darkness and into His glorious light. The Lord Jesus Christ in the Gospel of John said:
John 5:39–5:40 “Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.”
Ezekiel 33:11 “Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?”
1 John 4:1 “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”
For the Christian, it’s extremely important to know the difference between what’s true and false, light and darkness, righteousness and unrighteousness, godliness and ungodliness. As the Apostle John said “many false prophets are gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1). The word of God tells us to “prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21), for the church of God to be a pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15).
Any truth mixed with the slightest lie is no longer truth at all. The reason why cults are so dangerous to believers is that they mix truth with sprinkled lies as to not alarm those who may be ignorant of biblical truth. In this series we will be looking at different cults and seeing if their doctrine/teachings line up with the truth of God’s Holy Word the Bible. Mormon teachings are very dangerous and twisted so be prepared for a strange ride.
The Mormon cult began with a man called Joseph Smith, Joseph was born on December 23, 1805 in Vermont. His family then moved to Palmyra, a village in Wayne County, New York. This was the time of the Second Great Awakening, a time when people were eager for something to believe, in the midst of the Protestant movement Joseph Smith brought in heretical teachings.
In his early years he became involved with Methodism, Smith was concerned about his soul and confused by the claims of competing religious beliefs. In 1820 at the age of 14, he went into the woods to pray; and allegedly God the Father and Jesus appeared to him and said not to join any of the denominational churches.
Now it starts to get weird Joseph claimed an angel named “Moroni”, who was supposed to be the “son of Mormon”, the leader of the people called the “Nephites” who lived in the early Americas, appeared and said to him that he was chosen to translate the book of Mormon which was compiled by Moroni’s father around the 4th century. If this were true why would an angel need a human to translate anything when they’re these powerful beings?
The book was written on golden plates and found next to Joseph’s home in Palmyra, New York. As he began to translate the book Joseph claimed that John the Baptist appeared and ordained him to the divine work of restoring the true church by preaching the “true gospel” which, allegedly, was lost from the earth.
After the publication of the Book of Mormon, Mormonism began grew and the religion was so divergent from Christianity, i.e., multiple of gods, polygamy (Joseph had 27 wives), etc. Joseph ended up in jail and killed by an angry mob.
All cults seem to have 2 founders one who starts the cult typically a charismatic individual and the second afterwards who lays the remaining foundation helping the movement to grow.
Brigham Young an American religious leader, politician, settler and second president of The LDS cult. He brought the Mormon teachings to Salt Lake City. Young went by many nicknames the most popular being “American Moses” he also went by “Modern Moses” or “Mormon Moses” due to him leading his followers to Utah. A polygamist he had 55 wives and instituted a ban against the priesthood of black African men.
After assuming the leadership role of the Mormons, leading them to Salt Lake Utah which at the time located in Mexico; outside of the then United States territory. He placed the people in harsh conditions so that they could only rely upon themselves to survive, it was a strategic move on Young’s part to have complete control over all of the followers.
WHAT DO MORMONS TEACH?
Mormonism is called the religion of the Americas because it has no roots in Biblical Christianity, it doesn’t come from the Hebrew or Greek text and is never mentioned in the Bible. It touts “another testament of Jesus Christ” as the subtitle of the book of Mormon suggest.
But does it agree with God’s word or does it contradict? In the book of Acts, we have an account of Paul the Apostle visiting the synagogue in Berea to preach the Gospel, the Bereans searched the scriptures to be certain of what they heard to be true and we should always do the same.
Acts 17:10, 11 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Mormons say: “Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane,” (Laurel Rohlfing, “Sharing Time: The Atonement,” Friend, Mar. 1989, p. 39.).
The Bible:1 Peter 2:24 “Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.”
Where do Mormons get the idea that the Lord Jesus paid for our sins somewhere else besides the cross of Calvary? When the Lord Jesus came to Gethsemane and was sorrowful is was not that He was atoning for our sins at the garden.
Matthew 26:36–39 “Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy. Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”
He was grieved not because He was wishing not to go to the cross, the Lord Jesus Christ was ready, willing and able to give himself as a ransom on the rugged tree. There was no turning back for Him being the Prince of Life, God in the flesh, He set His face like a flint toward Jerusalem (Isaiah 50:5–9). Nothing was going to deter Him from the cross.
Matthew 26:42 “He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.”
The reason why He was sorrowful is He knew what He would endure before the cross, that sinful men would come and lay hands on Him in the hours leading up to the cross.
Matthew 26:45 “Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.”
Mormons say: “We accept Christ’s atonement by repenting of our sins, being baptized, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and obeying all of the commandments,” (Gospel Principles, Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1979, p. 68.).
The Bible: Mormons try to add works as a means of receiving salvation, notice for them it’s not just trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ, but they add baptism and obeying all of the commandments. What does the word of God say in regards to our works? Our righteousness are filthy rags before a Holy and righteous God.
Isaiah 64:6 “But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.”
Romans 3:19, 20 “Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Galatians 2:16 “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”
Mormons say: Baptism for the dead, (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. II, p. 141). This is a practice of baptizing each other in place of non-Mormons who are now dead. Their belief is that in the afterlife, the “newly baptized” person will be able to enter into a higher level of Mormon heaven.
The Bible: Notice the above statement says “Mormon heaven”, not God’s heaven but “Mormon’s heaven”. I tell you friend Mormon heaven doesn’t exist. Nowhere in scripture does God ever say that a person can be baptised for a dead person. This is strictly a Mormon teaching and you will never find it in the Holy Bible. There is a contradiction from the Mormon teaching because God says you die once then you stand before the judge.
If you die in your sins then you’re lost for all eternity, but if you’re saved because of placing your faith in the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus, you can have life eternal in heaven.
Hebrews 9:27 “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”
Matthew 18:8, 9 “Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.”
Luke 9:60 “Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.”
Notice the Lord Jesus never said anything about baptising ones-self for a dead person, we all get one chance and that’s all. This is why it’s extremely important to be born again, to be saved by God’s grace.
THE HOLY BIBLE
Mormons say: “We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. . .” (8th Article of Faith of the Mormon Church).
“Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God,” (1 Nephi 13:28).
The Bible: Mormons will state that they believe in the word of God while at the same time say it was somehow corrupted, mistranslated, scriptures missing/taken away etc. They doubt the preservation of God’s word, therefore, they don’t believe God can prevent His word from being somehow corrupted. The word of God says His word endures forever.
Psalms 119:89 “LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.”
Matthew 24:35 “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
1 Peter 1:25 “But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
The Book of Mormon
Mormons say: The book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible, (History of the Church, 4:461).
The Bible: This proves the point above in which Mormons aren’t Christian and are a cult because they teach that their book is superior to the Bible. Cults will typically say they believe the Bible but will then say you must read something outside of the Bible. ie book of Mormon, Watchtower, Awake etc. Mormons place their faith in false books in which they deem scripture such as the erroneous uninspired book called “Pearl of Great Price”.
“A Selection from the Revelations, Translations, and Narrations of Joseph Smith First Prophet, Seer, and Revelator to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” — LDS (Pearl of Great Price)
Mormons say: The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus “in the morning of pre-existence,” (Mormon Doctrine, p. 192).
The Bible: The Lord Jesus Christ was never born biologically He’s always existed. The Mormon cult falls into the same error as the Jehovah Witnesses. When the Bible speaks of “firstborn” or “begotten” in the context of Christ Jesus our Lord it’s referring to His position, not a biological birth. The Old Testament does speak of biological birth but upon understanding the scriptures God gives us spiritual truths of things to come.
For instance, David is called the firstborn but we read in the book of Samuel that he had older brothers therefore biologically we can conclude that it’s not speaking of his birth but position.
Psalms 89:27 “Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.”
The firstborn of Joseph was Manasseh and second Ephraim but the reverse order is spoken of in terms of birthright in Genesis.
Genesis 41:51–52 “And Joseph called the name of the firstborn Manasseh: For God, said he, hath made me forget all my toil, and all my father’s house. And the name of the second called he Ephraim: For God hath caused me to be fruitful in the land of my affliction.”
Jeremiah 31:9 “They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.”
The Lord Jesus spoken of as the firstborn proclaims not an actual birth but His position as before all and above all, the book of Colossians puts it beautifully when speaking of His eternal existence as God. Last but not least the Devil was not “born” he’s a created being the anointed Cherub an angel to be exact.
Colossians 1:15–18 “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”
Ezekiel 28:13–19 “Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.”
Mormons say: “According to our teachings, Satan and an army of supporters were cast down to earth from the premortal spirit world. They are spirit brothers of ours, and are real persons having spirit bodies” (Joseph F. Merrill, Conference Reports, April 1941, p. 49).
The Bible: Satan is an angel and so were the other 3/4’s who followed him, they’re not our brothers how can that be when God says in Genesis “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:”. The angels are not created in the image of God according to His likeness. Additionally, God breathed into Adam the breath of life making us a living soul. The Bible never speaks of an angel being created in the same manner.
Genesis 2:7 “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
Mormons say: “On first hearing, the doctrine that Lucifer and our Lord, Jesus Christ, are brothers may seem surprising to some — especially to those unacquainted with latter-day revelations. But both the scriptures and the prophets affirm that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed offspring of our Heavenly Father and, therefore, spirit brothers. Jesus Christ was with the Father from the beginning. Lucifer, too, was an angel ‘who was in authority in the presence of God,’ a ‘son of the morning.’ (See Isa. 14:12; D&C 76:25–27.) Both Jesus and Lucifer were strong leaders with great knowledge and influence. But as the Firstborn of the Father, Jesus was Lucifer’s older brother. (See Col. 1:15; D&C 93:21.)” (Jess L. Christensen, “I Have a Question,” Ensign, June 1986, p. 25).
The Bible: This is complete blasphemy on the part of Mormonism, to say that the creator of all things would be Satan’s brother is a grievous error. If Satan is an angel (created being) he cannot be the Lord Jesus’s brother. In the book of John speaking of the Lord Jesus it says:
John 1:1–3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Take notice that it says “all things were made by him” that includes all the angels, therefore Satan cannot be His brother, the scriptures are very clear.
Mormons say: “A plan of salvation was needed for the people of earth so Jesus offered a plan to the Father and Satan offered a plan to the father but Jesus’ plan was accepted. In effect the Devil wanted to be the Savior of all Mankind and to “deny men their agency and to dethrone god,” (Mormon Doctrine, p. 193; Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 8).
The Bible: It’s astounding the fallacies cults will create in order to make their theology work. You will not find anything in the Bible about presenting salvation plans to the Father. The plan of redemption was not an afterthought for God, He was not surprised and therefore needed to figure something out. No! God knows all things and was not taken off guard.
1 Peter 1:20 “Who verily was foreordeined before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.”
Revelation 13:8 “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”
Who is God?
Mormons say: God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613–614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333).
The Bible: Another lie spoken by this cult. Nowhere in the Hebrew or Greek text will you find anything about the Father being a man from another planet. This is complete heresy on the part of Joseph Smith.
Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?”
John 4:24 “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
Mormons say: “The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s . . . “ (D&C 130:22).
The Bible: Once again we have to refer back to John 4:24 which speaks of “God as a Spirit”. Do not be confused the Lord Jesus is God, but we’re speaking of God the Father. We have to remember that God consists of 3 distinct person’s. Not 3 Gods. 1 God consisting of 3 distinct person’s all sharing the same divine nature (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).
I myself don’t use the term “Trinity” only because the Bible never uses that word, I use the word Godhead which is Biblical in reference to the New Testament. Nevertheless, the doctrine of the Trinity is Biblical.
Godhead — θεῖοςtheîos,theios; from G2316; godlike (neuter as noun, divinity): — divine, godhead.
a general name of deities or divinities as used by the Greeks
spoken of the only and true God, trinity
On the same note the Old Testament (written in Hebrew) which never uses the word Godhead (Greek) does use the name God, and the name God speaks to a plurality.
God — אֱלֹהִיםʼĕlôhîym,elohiym; plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates.
gods (lowercase “g” always signifies false god(s) in biblical terms)
(plural intensive — singular meaning)
god, goddess (lowercase “g” signifies false god(s) in biblical terms)
works or special possessions of God
the (true) God
Mormons say: “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see,” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345).
The Bible: This is the first lie ever told beginning with Satan in the garden of Eden when he uttered in Genesis 3:1 “…Yea, hath God said,…” creating doubt in the mind of Eve. Satan said:
Genesis 3:4, 5 “And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
And Satan continues to deceive people with this same lie in Mormonism, Hinduism, New Age etc.
Mormons say: God the Father had a Father, (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 476; Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 19; Milton Hunter, First Council of the Seventy, Gospel through the Ages, p. 104–105).
The Bible: And the nonsense continues, God is eternal never having a beginning never having an end, Mormon doctrine is in direct contradiction to God’s word. When Moses asked God on Mount Sinai God said:
Exodus 3:14 “And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.”
Psalms 90:2 “Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou [art] God.”
1 Timothy 1:17 “Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.”
God, becoming a god
Mormons say: After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345–347, 354.)
The Bible: Once again oldest lie from the devil himself than men can become gods, this is just not true read Genesis 3:4, 5. Satan lied to Eve and that was the beginning of the downfall of man, once she made her husband Adam to eat of the forbidden fruit.
God, many gods
Mormons say: There are many gods, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).
The Bible: There are many false gods, there’s only one true God and that’s the God of the Holy Scriptures, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. The Bible speaks of false gods/idols.
Revelation 9:20 “And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:”
Mormons say: “And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light: and there was light,” (Book of Abraham 4:3).
The Bible: This is very important here because you’ll notice, Mormons believe in more than 1 God. In the above statement, you’ll notice Gods an “s” on the end. True Christians who believe in the Godhead do not believe in 3 Gods. We believe in 1 God consisting of 3 distinct persons (Father, Son and Holy Spirit).
1 John 5:7 “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
God, mother goddess
Mormons say: There is a mother god, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443). God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit children, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 516).
The Bible: There’s no such thing as “mother god” in the Bible, neither is there any such thing as “mother nature”. These are all pagan concepts stemming from Greek mythology, false gods such as “Gaia”. Paganism was rampant back then people worshipped idols and even sacrificed their children.
The people in Ephesus were angry with the Apostle Paul because he spoke the truth and preached the Gospel and the people wanted to continue to worship a false goddess by the name of Diana or Artemis.
Acts 19:24 “For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen;”
Acts 19:27 “So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.”
Acts 19:28 “And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.”
Acts 19:34 “But when they knew that he was a Jew, all with one voice about the space of two hours cried out, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.”
Acts 19:35 “And when the townclerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?”
As you can see the Mormons do not worship the true God, and they aren’t Christian at all they’re a cult who claims Christianity but are far from it.
Mormons say: The Trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. “That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man,” (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35).
The Bible: Since the days of the Apostles Christians have been defending the faith against heresies concerning the Godhead as being 3 separate Gods. Christians do not believe there are three separate Gods, we believe in 1 God consisting of 3 distinct persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). The above section “who is God” explains this.
Mormons say: The true gospel was lost from the earth. Mormonism is its restoration, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 182–185.)
The Bible: If this were so then Mormons must believe that since the day the Lord Jesus rose from the dead in resurrection power and ascended up on high into heaven, from that day forward until Joseph Smith all people were lost meaning going to hell (while Mormons don’t necessarily believe in hell they do believe in outer darkness). The gospel was never “lost” the gospel in simplest words are “Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners”. Mormonism tries to place Joseph Smith as saviour and he is not.
Isaiah 43:11 “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.”
Mormons say: There are three levels of heaven: telestial, terrestrial, and celestial, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 348).
The Bible: The scriptures of the Bible never mention such places, it does mention the sky, stars, moon and sun. But never places Mormons teach.
Deuteronomy 33:26 “There is none like unto the God of Jeshurun, who rideth upon the heaven in thy help, and in his excellency on the sky.”
Psalms 8:3 “When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;”
Revelation 22:5 “And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.”
The Holy Ghost
Mormons say: The Holy Ghost is a male personage, A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, (Le Grand Richards, Salt Lake City, 1956, p. 118; Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 179).
The Bible: While the Holy Ghost is a person (Acts 5:3, 4, Acts 13:2, Hebrews 3:7, John-14:16) He is not “a marvelous work or wonder”. The Holy Ghost is God a distinct person of the Godhead always existed the same as the Father and the Son.
Luke 3:22 “And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
Jesus Christ of Mormonism
Mormons say: The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 129).
The Bible: This is a classic example of the heresy of Arianism which other cults like the Jehovah Witnesses, SDA, Christadelphians and Islam believe. They either reduce Him to a created being (angel), or in the case of Islam just a prophet. The Lord Jesus is God, in the Gospel of Luke we have an account of the man possessed by the devil called Legion. The Lord Jesus cast out the unclean spirit and He tells the man:
Luke 8:39 “Return to thine own house, and shew how great things God hath done unto thee. And he went his way, and published throughout the whole city how great things Jesus had done unto him.”
Mormons say: Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 8; Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15).
The Bible: The Lord Jesus Christ is the creator of all things, therefore, Satan cannot be His brother because Satan is a created being himself.
Colossians 1:16–18 “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”
Mormons say: Jesus’ sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 1856, p. 247).
The Bible: Mormons don’t believe God’s word because the Bible specifically says in the epistle from John the Apostle that we are cleansed from all sin.
1 John 1:7 “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”
Mormons say: “The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood — was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers,” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115).
The Bible: He was born of a virgin Mary His mother.
Isaiah 7:14 “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
Mormons say: If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation [the context is the full gospel including exaltation to Godhood] outside the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 670).
The Bible: Joseph Smith didn’t restore anything all he did was founded a cult which denies the Bible and tries to add to the word of God in every way.
Acts 4:8–12 “Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel, If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole; Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
Fruit of the Mormon cult
If one is to ascertain what the Mormon belief produces look no further than Warren S. Jeffs the founder of the FLDS movement, while the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is in some ways different to the LDS. The FLDS practices actually more in line with the teachings of Joseph Smith, in Smith days polygamy was a belief they practised. The FLDS to this day still holds to that practice.
One of the main ones being polygamy Jeffs is a husband to 50 wives. Not only that but it’s also interesting that he was also regarded as a prophet, pretty convenient for him. If anything he was a true follower of Joseph Smith and Mormonism as crazy as that may be.
Mormons say: We were first begotten as spirit children in heaven and then born naturally on earth, (Journal of Discourse, vol. 4, p. 218).
The Bible: You’ll never find anywhere in the Bible which makes the claim the Mormons make of being “spirit children in Heaven” man was created on the earth, the first being Adam. After God created the earth and all the animals on the land, sea and in the air.
Genesis 1:26 “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
Mormons say: “The Father, Elohim, is called the Father because he is the literal father of the spirits of mortals (Heb. 12:9). This paternity is not allegorical. All individual human spirits were begotten (not created from nothing or made) by the Father in a premortal state, where they lived and were nurtured by Heavenly Parents” (Encyclopedia of Mormonism, 2:549).
The Bible: Hebrews 12:9 is taken well out of its context the verse is not saying that we’re begotten of God by biological means, the Lord Jesus is the only begotten of the Father. We (those who are saved) have been translated from the lineage of Adam into the lineage of the last Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45).
In the passage of Hebrews, it’s speaking of how we have human fathers and have experienced the upbringing of our earthly father, now being a child of God when born again and as we at times go through chastening we aren’t to despise it because it’s for our own good and God our Father teaches us through it that we may grow and yield fruits of righteousness. We do not have “Heavenly Parents” as in how we have parents here on earth.
Hebrews 12:5–11 “And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.”
Mormons say: We need prophets today, the same as in the Old Testament, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 444–445).
The Bible: Mormons, as well as many Christians, do not understand that we’re living in a different dispensation. Prophets were used by God in a specific time for the nation of Israel. God used prophets for the nation to deliver His message when they needed instruction or rebuking. But that time has past and we now have the entire canon of scripture.
The Jews needed the prophets at that time because they never had the Old Testament scriptures except for a few scrolls like Isaiah or Jeremiah. They couldn’t open up a Bible and say well let’s look at the Gospels or Epistles. That’s why the book of Hebrews puts it this way.
Hebrews 1:1, 2 “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”
This verse says it all how God spake using many different ways in time past by the prophets but now in these last days spoken to us by His Son the Lord Jesus Christ. We no longer need any more prophets the Lord Jesus gave us God’s word Himself being God in the flesh. Joseph Smith came long after the prophets and the Lord Jesus. The time of the prophets is over.
Mormons say: “One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation,” (Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206).
The Bible: Mormonism teaches works salvation while at the same time will say they believe in the Bible. That’s a contradiction, if the Bible says the work has been finished fully and completely by the Lord Jesus then nothing more needs to be done. He defeated death at the cross and made salvation possible for all who believe.
John 19:30 “When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.”
Mormons say: A plan of salvation was needed for the people of earth so Jesus offered a plan to the Father and Satan offered a plan to the father but Jesus’ plan was accepted. In effect the Devil wanted to be the Savior of all Mankind and to “deny men their agency and to dethrone god,” (Mormon Doctrine, p. 193; Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 8).
The Bible: How deceived the LDS are in order for anyone to pass off a ridiculous story such as that you’ll have to toss the Bible out the window and concoct something completely alien to God’s word. You just will not find anything like this in the scriptures it’s completely made up from Joseph Smith.
Mormons say: Jesus’ sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 1856, p. 247).
The Bible: Lies of the devil! The infallible word of God says otherwise. The sacrifice of the spotless Lamb of God was more than enough and covers all sin, past present and future!!!
1 John 1:7 “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”
Mormons say: Good works are necessary for salvation (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 92).
The Bible: We read in God’s infallible word that our works are filthy rags, how we are saved by grace through faith. Salvation has nothing to do with us and self-righteousness because we’re sinners, we are not perfect we’re not without sin. We’ve been born in sin and have committed sin and God requires perfection. Only the Lord Jesus is without sin without any blemish. Salvation is a free gift for those who believe.
Isaiah 64:6 “But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.”
Ephesians 2:8, 9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
Mormons say: There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188).
The Bible: This is complete heresy Mormons try to place Joseph Smith in the place of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Bible tosses down their rubbish.
Acts 4:10–13 “Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.”
Philippians 2:10 “That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;”
The Lord Jesus said “except ye repent ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3).
Mormons say: “We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do,” (2 Nephi 25:23).
The Bible: Mormons will never have the assurance of salvation because for them it’s “after all we can do”, how will they ever know if they did enough? They cannot, therefore, they’ll never have rest because they’re working for salvation trying to attain it on their own terms. But God says the work has already been done by the perfect Son of God and He cried out “it is finished”, nothing more needs to be done, it’s fully complete. I’ll place my trust in the Lord Jesus before I place it on myself.
We now see how the beliefs of the Mormon LDS contradicts the Bible in enormous ways, hence the reason why they’re a cult. They don’t believe in the Bible and they follow a false prophet by the name of Joseph Smith. They don’t worship the same God as Christians do. They try to use the name Christian when they’re far from any of the beliefs and that’s why they’re a cult.
Mormons are lost and in need of salvation just like any other unbeliever, they’ve been deceived by doctrines of devils. Let us be willing to speak truth to Mormons, we do not hate them we love them and want them to have eternal life.
John 17:3 “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”